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Post by Brother Fredrik on Dec 23, 2013 16:16:35 GMT
Similar to some things that I brought up in champion thread, how exactly would the kingdom GMR oversee park GMRs? I'm NOT a fan of micro managing, however I think one thing that stands out is they should somehow teach how to give and build a reeves test. Perhaps local GMRs should have to get their reeves tests "approved" by the kingdom GMR?
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Gymir
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Post by Gymir on Dec 23, 2013 20:35:08 GMT
They could probably also handle organizing the reeves needed for Kingdom level events and feasts. Maybe they should be the designated Rules Representative during their term.
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Post by Brother Fredrik on Dec 24, 2013 15:02:02 GMT
Good points, though that job is usually part of the bid for the major kingdom level events. I guess my main concern is the idea that Kingdom officer's are supposed to somehow 'oversee' local officers. The problem with this is that unless they have some specific authority over those officers (such as the requirement to approve reeves test) they really can't perform this responsibility. Historically GVP has been very "hands off" of the day to day running of local groups, mostly because we recognize that they have no say in our process so we should not push the results of that process onto them.
With a floating crown, I think we'll have to see that change somewhat. If we're going to have our Kingdom officers responsible to overseeing the job that the park officers do, then those officers will need some way of affecting the job those officers do. Other wise, we should consider completely striping these jobs out of this corpora and have only a kingdom monarch and maybe regent whose only jobs involve awards. Because if we are going to hold officers to doing tasks we MUST give them the tools to accomplish those tasks.
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Bear
Ebon Order
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Post by Bear on Dec 25, 2013 19:04:31 GMT
The way it works in the Northern Empire is that the Imperial GMR writes two tests (one reeve test and one corpora test) which are the standardized first tests across the Empire. They send those to local GMRs, who administer them. Any re-tests that are required are made by the local GMRs.
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Post by Brother Fredrik on Dec 26, 2013 10:24:05 GMT
Bear, I like this. It gives them some control, but not at a detailed level (no, I don't want Dufus de Wandered to be a reeve so I'll give him an impossible test). It still gives local GMRs the authority to make an easier test which is critical for newer players as I've seen some REALLY TOUGH reeves tests that were almost designed for players to fail with the retest being the same test as open book. Some would say I MADE such a test. It also opens the way for them to give guidance to local GMRs on what is appropriate to test.
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Bear
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Post by Bear on Dec 30, 2013 19:39:57 GMT
... I've seen some REALLY TOUGH reeves tests that were almost designed for players to fail with the retest being the same test as open book. Some would say I MADE such a test. That is a terrible test. I would literally never want to reeve under you, because you designed a test specifically for people to fail - taking a reeve test is enough of a time sink to begin with, why would I want to take two just because you think it's funny?
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Post by Brother Fredrik on Dec 30, 2013 20:09:00 GMT
... I've seen some REALLY TOUGH reeves tests that were almost designed for players to fail with the retest being the same test as open book. Some would say I MADE such a test. That is a terrible test. I would literally never want to reeve under you, because you designed a test specifically for people to fail - taking a reeve test is enough of a time sink to begin with, why would I want to take two just because you think it's funny? Never said i agreed with them, just that some would say that. But I ran a test where the testees (does that sound wrong) had to determine if a given spell would effect at a set range. Not many people passed that test. I feel that being able to ID the range (the most common call a reeve is asked to make) is very important. I made sure they knew in advance what was coming and I made sure that the calls were not THAT close. (IE 20.25 feet on a 20 foot range spell.) My goal was not to MAKE them fail, my goal was to make reeves that can call distances reasonably well. Because I was seeing people cast spells at 30 feet for 20 foot spells on a regular basis.
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Bear
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Post by Bear on Jan 4, 2014 14:40:27 GMT
Yeah, that's very different than what you were saying before, though - knowing the difference between 20' and 30' isn't really "almost designed for players to fail." I dislike that sort of practicum for other reasons (mostly, requiring a lot more work on the GMR's behalf) but it is, at least, an important part of reeving... not asking obscure questions that no on-field reeve should need to know off the top of their head.
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yoshi
Circle of Knights
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Post by yoshi on Jan 8, 2014 15:43:53 GMT
I think the idea of the kingdom GMR providing guidance and feedback on local group tests is a good one. Whether you want them to have the power to approve it or not gets a little stickier. One approach that could be more of a headache would be having people be approved at a local level with the local GMR's test or qualified for the kingdom by taking the kingdom test.
It would also be useful for the kingdom GMR to keep a roster of the reeve qualified people at the various parks. This could be helpful at events when looking for reeves and for when it is time to elect a new GMR.
They would also be creating and giving the test for kingdom crown quals.
One thing that I haven't seen mentioned is that the GMR is also responsible for running the PM election under the current corpora and would presumably have that role in a floating crown as well.
3.2 Elections: 3.21 Shall be held by the Prime Minister 3.211 Exception - the Prime Minister election will be held by the Guildmaster of Reeves
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