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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2014 20:20:57 GMT
The floating crown corpora is brought forward at the Althing on Saturday, February 15, 2014. Currently this is revision two, which had: - Rolling definition of home chapter removed.
- Redefined the credit policy.
- Core Lands expanded into New York.
- New tier of group type: Associated Lands. Similar to what Sponsored Lands were before.
- Altered tier of group type: Sponsored Lands. Able to vote for Kingdom event bids and may be in a principality.
This has also been discussed on Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/groups/goldenvale/809422442405749/ Talk. Give feedback.
Floating Crown Corpora.pdf (246.2 KB)
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Post by Brother Fredrik on Feb 18, 2014 11:46:11 GMT
Expect a lot of these as I go through bit by bit as time allows:
Page 5 2.1: All Offices Based on the wording I believe this should read "All Officers" since you are talking about the people who can hold them.
2.2 Monarch In the chart above nowhere does this word appear. Though common sense says this is the King/Queen. Suggest this be added to the chart.
The Monarch is limited to 2 consecutive terms, not the Kingdom Monarch. So I assume that this means that all group leader who adopt this corpora are limited to 2 consecutive terms. Is this intentional or was this supposed to be under "Kingdom Monarch" instead?
Striping honors should perhaps be more defined. The way this reads, it sounds like it is up to the Kingdom Monarch to initiate this. Very subjective.
The "Principality Monarch" also does not appear in the chart. Perhaps add both of these in parentheses?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2014 15:22:28 GMT
Page 5 2.1: All Offices Based on the wording I believe this should read "All Officers" since you are talking about the people who can hold them. 2.2 Monarch In the chart above nowhere does this word appear. Though common sense says this is the King/Queen. Suggest this be added to the chart. The Monarch is limited to 2 consecutive terms, not the Kingdom Monarch. So I assume that this means that all group leader who adopt this corpora are limited to 2 consecutive terms. Is this intentional or was this supposed to be under "Kingdom Monarch" instead? Striping honors should perhaps be more defined. The way this reads, it sounds like it is up to the Kingdom Monarch to initiate this. Very subjective. The "Principality Monarch" also does not appear in the chart. Perhaps add both of these in parentheses? The wording for 2.1 was inherited from other corpora, but I'll change it. I don't yet see a good way to add "Monarch" or "Principality Monarch" specifically to that list, as it makes the list incredibly clunky and repetitive. I would also be astounded if someone can't figure out that a King is a monarch. I'll have to play around with it. The term limit was purposefully under Monarch in general, not Kingdom Monarch. Currently the stripping of honours is, in fact, a power initiated by the Kingdom Monarch, which is why it's under the Kingdom Monarch's section. To me it is not subjective at all, as it specifically says that the Kingdom Monarch may strip an honour under specific conditions, which would be agreement of the Kingdom Althing and the Prime Minister (or KGMR).
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Post by Brother Fredrik on Feb 18, 2014 19:56:52 GMT
It would be a "nice to have" if the Table of Contents was links to the actual content.
Assuming we adopt this corpora next month, it would take affect immediately. Meaning that attendance requirements would be as listed here. So we'd either need a set (or subset) of officers for the local park until we get full connection with sponsored groups, or make the attendance requirements be for the local part until that time.
Page 7 Paragraph 2.3, Line 6. Regent is responsible for organizing the next Coronation Feast. Page 22, Paragraph 6.6 Line 1a Lists Feast-o-crat as a required bid position. I recommend we change the wording of 7, 2.3, 6 to reflect that the Regent should coordinate the feast with the event feast-o-crat.
The phrase "Decend from the throne" is used for all officers. Suggest using "Step down from office" instead.
Page 8 Paragraph 2.5, Line 7: "Shall be responsible for organizing battlegames at the appropriate level fields and/or events." yet events must provide a war-o-crat. I suggest removing this line about events or making a note that they should work with the event war-o-crat.
Page 9 Paragraph 2.6 Guildmaster of Reeves. I think that the Kingdom GMR should be responsible for generating reeves tests and local GMRs are responsible for administering the test. This will give the kingdom GMR more control over reeve quality.
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Post by Bowen on Feb 19, 2014 9:25:49 GMT
Page 8 Paragraph 2.5, Line 7: "Shall be responsible for organizing battlegames at the appropriate level fields and/or events." yet events must provide a war-o-crat. I suggest removing this line about events or making a note that they should work with the event war-o-crat. This wording comes from my draft. The appropriate level champion is responsible for organizing battlegames, even if a Warocrat is involved. When the Warocrat is involved that should mean delegating to them per the bid, but if a Warocrat fails in their duties, it should fall to the Champion to do their job.
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Post by Brother Fredrik on Feb 19, 2014 12:25:15 GMT
Understood and agree, but that is not what is says. I'm simply doing as asked and going through it in detail pointing out things I find. Personally if this came up for vote as is I would vote for it. But I think we can make it better before we do.
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Post by Brother Fredrik on Feb 19, 2014 13:43:12 GMT
Section 3.1: Board of Directors. The document says nothing about alternate members of the BoD. So this means there may be 5, 6, or 7 members of the BoD depending on if the Monarch and PM/Chancellor are elected members of the BoD or not. Is this intentional? Item 10: Meetings may or may not be closed to the populace. I believe that all meetings should be open to the populace unless a specific reason justifies it be closed (such as privacy issues surrounding a specific incident). This item as reads does not encourage a transparent government. Item 14: Does this mean that only members of the core lands can run for a position on the BoD? This is a change, though not necessarily a bad one.
3.3 -3.7 Lessor officers. Not sure this belongs in here. Since this is a document that will potentially be used by every group, not sure we should be pushing down minor things like this. Perhaps just a section that allows officers to fill positions to assist as they see the need.
3.8 Class Guildmasters Do we really want to limit voting to people who have put a CREDIT into a class? Someone who is a class master may be choosing to put credits into a class where they still get some benefit from the credits. That does not mean they didn’t PLAY that class. Also it does NOT say that you have to have played OR put a credit into the class to be GM. Just to vote. I think it would be better to leave it as have played in the class for voting AND for holding the position.
3.10 Circle of Steel Is this needed in here? Seems like “filler” to me. I could be wrong, since I’m not in a company. 3.11 Court Herald Same as 3.3 – 3.7
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Post by Brother Fredrik on Feb 19, 2014 13:58:26 GMT
4.1 Kingdom Althing Is the kingdom allthing a physical meeting or can we stipulate the possibility of a teleconference of some kind? Since we may have groups up to 830 miles distance, I think we should MANDATE web meetings to encourage participation. Not sure we should be taking the vote away from the people when their officers screw up (Don’t submit TACDs). Perhaps a some other sanction could be considered? 4.2 Since the concern is for people who are not subject to the core lands corpora being able to vote to change it, perhaps we should allow all members to vote for everything BUT corpora changes. Thus rather than spelling out who can vote for what we say that all can vote in Kingdom Althings with the exception that Sponsored Lands cannot vote for Corpora changes.
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Post by Bowen on Feb 19, 2014 16:23:07 GMT
Section 3.1: Board of Directors. The document says nothing about alternate members of the BoD. So this means there may be 5, 6, or 7 members of the BoD depending on if the Monarch and PM/Chancellor are elected members of the BoD or not. Is this intentional? This is governed by an internal process document for the BoD. The short answer is 5 members are always elected and 5 members have a vote. Those are not necessarily the same 5 people.
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Post by Bowen on Feb 19, 2014 16:28:21 GMT
4.1 Kingdom Althing Is the kingdom allthing a physical meeting or can we stipulate the possibility of a teleconference of some kind? Since we may have groups up to 830 miles distance, I think we should MANDATE web meetings to encourage participation. The way a Kingdom Althing works is very different here. The discussion is online, and each group votes individually and submits those votes. It is not an Althing like we have today in this sense.
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Post by Brother Fredrik on Feb 20, 2014 12:21:40 GMT
RE: BOD I just think it should be spelled out clearer. I know there was some confusion this last election cycle and even Nexus did not seem to know the answers. Two people (one being myself) thought they were selected for alternate slots, only to find out that was not the case when the results were posts. We were even TOLD we were alternates. Clarity eliminates confusion and the possibility of shenanigans.
RE: Kingdom Allthing Oh I agree. But again, that should be spelled out. Perhaps even where it will occur Example: Each item for discussion will have a thread in the GV Forums. All discussion should occur there and the discussion there will be closed (no further posts can occur in that thread) at the close of voting.
I just feel it is better to be specific and make sure there are no assumptions being made that could be in correct. After all, up until this point allthings have been physical meetings. This document does not say they will NOT be physical meetings. Therefore, nothing has changed in that respect. At least that is ONE line of logic.
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Post by Brother Fredrik on Feb 20, 2014 13:31:06 GMT
Again not sure that taking away the people's vote is the correct sanction for officers not doing their job.
So we ARE allowing Monarch and GMR. This is different from our current restrictions. I believe there was a specific reason for this owing to separation of powers in the RoP, but I can't currently locate it.
I read this to mean that if a small group (say a shire with 5 members) has a petition with 20% of its members signing it (that would be ONE person in the above example) the kingdom would be REQUIRED to bring this up at an Allthing. And nothing says this one person could not do this EVERY ALLTHING. I think this needs a little more thought. Maybe 10% of ALL chapters? Or perhaps this was an error and you actually meant 20% of the kingdom?
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Post by Brother Fredrik on Feb 20, 2014 16:30:16 GMT
I think outstanding construction should also be listed here. If something looks plain but is very well constructed, that is just as much a “plus” as appearance. This is especially true on “owl” categories.
So a player could qual for Kingdom office with the following scores: 4.5, 4.5, 4.5, 4.5, 4.5, 4.5, 8.0 Meaning 6 out of seven of their entries are sub-standard yet because they have one pretty good entry, they qual. I’m not sure I like this averaging system. I prefer that they must have 7 entries that meet minimum standards (IE score a 5).
Not sure we should dictate medium shields for both of these. I can see if for S&B, but at best we should say medium or smaller shields in Open. personally for Open it should be any Amtgard legal shield. After all we’re not limiting weapons, why should be limit shields?
If we are including New York as our “core lands” then we should include New York state as a reasonable location to hold Fury.
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Post by Bowen on Feb 20, 2014 18:58:40 GMT
Not sure we should dictate medium shields for both of these. I can see if for S&B, but at best we should say medium or smaller shields in Open. personally for Open it should be any Amtgard legal shield. After all we’re not limiting weapons, why should be limit shields? For Sword and Board, I feel strongly that we should maintain that it is Single Short and Medium Board. I brought up the Open issue on the FB group before discussion moved here and Karl said he has already updated the next revision to allow any legal size shield for Open.
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Post by Brother Fredrik on Feb 20, 2014 19:34:23 GMT
I didn't see that conversation. Sorry to repeat here then.
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