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Post by Sir Nexus on Nov 12, 2013 2:12:56 GMT
Probably because someone in Nashua wanted to discuss it and asked that it be added to the agenda. That is exactly the reason.
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Post by celwyn on Nov 12, 2013 3:03:03 GMT
I get that is the reason it came up for discussion last month but in November's althing agenda it is listed as a vote and then again, it is not something that can be voted on.
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Post by Sir Nexus on Nov 12, 2013 3:37:42 GMT
That is my fault, Celwyn. It was meant to be removed from the docket, but I had forgotten it. Rest assured that is was my decision after your althing that this measure was inappropriate in the highest regard.
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Post by celwyn on Nov 12, 2013 12:54:18 GMT
That is my fault, Celwyn. It was meant to be removed from the docket, but I had forgotten it. Rest assured that is was my decision after your althing that this measure was inappropriate in the highest regard. Ok, I'll breathe a little easier now. Thank you. I am open to hearing from representatives from Crystal Groves Kingdom and looking for some serious changes in how they deal with legal issues (for the sake of everyone in Amtgard), so I will never say never as to joining them - but until I see support for our park from their Kingdom I wouldn't vote to leave Goldenvale. There's changes that would have to happen first and I am very happy with the support we get from GV and the people that have been in office.
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Post by Hitorimono on Nov 12, 2013 15:03:19 GMT
What kind of support are you wanting to see? What changes would need to happen first (besides more proactively contacting law enforcement)?
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Post by petra on Nov 12, 2013 22:15:18 GMT
^ This
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Post by celwyn on Nov 14, 2013 2:04:24 GMT
I'd also like to see better communication in Crystal Groves from the Kingdom officers down. Your responses that it's not up to Kingdom to go out make sure all the votes are in on time and not up to Kingdom to invite parks to join them are symptoms of a problematic philosophy: That the Kingdom officers sit above others. I much prefer that Kingdom officers SERVE their people and actions always speak louder than words. Although ... when monarchs start talking about their "authority" it rubs me the wrong way. (Authority is based on being elected - authority is from the people of the game. If people are questioning you and don't have trust in what you as an officer are doing, insisting on divine right is not going to build trust). It also helps when officers have humility. If you don't know something or have made a mistake, admit it. That's the kind of behavior that garners genuine respect.
Here is a concrete example of what I see as GV communication. In this latest test of the floating crown I saw messages flying around our Kingdom to make sure the votes were in (I even saw one from our monarch). I have seen similar instances where parks in GV are encouraged to get their TaCA in on time, and it's not a "gotcha! you were late!" situation. Do our officers have to do that? NO! But they do, because they care about the smooth functioning of the Kingdom and serving the people in the sponsored groups. They have the experience, whereas officers in sponsored groups might not be so experienced. And as I mentioned at our Althing and have mentioned NUMEROUS times on the KCG boards, I would like to see a KCG montly skype meeting or even a Chat with Monarch one on one.
In the past, when we were looking at joining KCG a weaponsmaster tourney was held at our park, because it was a central location. Recently, when we offered to host a fundraising tourney, it was pulled and held in "Kingdom" lands. That's a specific example of a friendly gesture and an unfriendly one.
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Post by Hitorimono on Nov 16, 2013 6:45:04 GMT
I'd also like to see better communication in Crystal Groves from the Kingdom officers down. Your responses that it's not up to Kingdom to go out make sure all the votes are in on time and not up to Kingdom to invite parks to join them are symptoms of a problematic philosophy: That the Kingdom officers sit above others. I much prefer that Kingdom officers SERVE their people and actions always speak louder than words. When did I say that it isn't up to the KPM to make sure votes are in on time? As KPM I have always harassed Provincial PMs to try and get their votes in on time. I can only twist arms so much though, and sometimes PPMs drop the ball and don't get votes in before the deadline. I am sorry that KCG hasn't given BC a written invitation to come join us. There are many in the Kingdom that feel if a Chapter wishes to become part of the Kingdom, they need to make that interest known by petitioning for status. I am not sure how that equates to the Monarchy appearing to sit above others. I hope that you'll explain this in greater detail? I am sorry that I don't quite know what you are getting at about the "gotcha!" deally. I've always encouraged groups who miss the deadline on the TaCA to get it in anyways. And as I mentioned at your Althing, KCG has had monthly meetings in the past. The only Monarch, that I remember, that did so was Trellick. We do continue to have in person meetings at the large events though. Also, our current Queen is working at scheduling monthly video/chat meetings online. So this is something we are working on. And who's to say that the Monarchs haven't been chatting with each other one on one? Just because we can't see it doesn't mean it might not be going on. The fundraiser was organized by individuals, not members of the monarchy. The monarchy can't control where people decide to hold their fundraisers. Also, you went into the changes you would like to see, which is great. But I feel that my question about what kind of support would you like to see from KCG before you would petition us wasn't answered.
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Post by celwyn on Nov 18, 2013 13:33:05 GMT
Here are Yoshi's Althing notes. ------------------------------- Notes from our Althing:
Month of Crown- Quals - 11/16 Coronation - 12/14
Since we are playing v8, the consensus for the reeves test was to use v8 as the basis for testing.
Declarations: At that time only Lisa had declared for Champion, since then Nate has put his hat in the ring for Monarch.
Kingdom sponsorship discussion. This was spawned due to a discussion at Goldenvale's althing about the possibility of removing sponsorship of BC so that it can seek sponsorship from a closer kingdom (CG).
The pro's and con's of our options were discussed.
Staying with GV: Pro's We have a long history together Their leadership is more seasoned Regular / monthly monarchy meetings online Good communication Laissez faire treatment (not meddlesome)
Con's Far away Kingdom recognition can be harder Sometimes difficult to get awards Not many visitors from GV Can't hold kingdom office
Seeking to join KCG: Pro's Closer Can run for kingdom office Theoretically better recognition Other local groups in the area - possibility for more visitors Ability to host local events for the kingdom
Con's Some shady characters and decisions Required to adopt their corpora (Their heraldry) Political abuses of power Reduction in group status
There were no guarantees that KCG would approve sponsorship of our group (as it had failed once in the past). If GV were to rescind sponsorship and CG did not pick us up, we would become a freehold.
A quick discussion was had about being a freehold but was viewed as the least attractive option.
A poll of members found that our order of preference was: 1. Stay with GV 2. Attempt to join CG 3. Become a freehold
We also discussed the GV kingdom PM election that we were allowed to vote in. The candidates were given and votes were taken to be passed along to kingdom.
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Post by Bowen on Nov 18, 2013 15:53:12 GMT
Just, as a point; the people who need to see the conversation between you two, are likely not seeing it here. Communication is good, but it important that the parties involved read the info, just a thought!
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Post by Hitorimono on Nov 18, 2013 18:07:40 GMT
Dave, I agree that communication is very important. And the Monarchy members of the different Provinces of KCG have been given a link to this thread, and several are lurking. And for those who aren't... once it is established what BC expects of KCG before they will petition us, I will pass that info along to the populace.
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Post by petra on Nov 18, 2013 19:14:17 GMT
What was discussed at our Althing Saturday is that regardless of any arguments you may have ongoing, we want BC to draw up and submit an application to Crystal Groves. Allow me to explain.
The impression is that there are many "if"s at play. If we go CG, they'll bump us down to Shire. If we go to CG, they'll treat us badly, you get the idea. If an application is put in, all of those concerns can be to rest. Once CG gives it's response, all parties will have the answers they need to move forward, and we go from there.
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Post by Hitorimono on Nov 18, 2013 19:29:52 GMT
The relevant info that they will need to provide us as part of the application process can be found in our corpora. Here is the appropriate section: I will poke the BoD to get them working on the review process. The Secretary of the BoD can be reached at this e-mail.
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Post by celwyn on Nov 19, 2013 3:42:32 GMT
What was discussed at our Althing Saturday is that regardless of any arguments you may have ongoing, we want BC to draw up and submit an application to Crystal Groves. Allow me to explain. The impression is that there are many "if"s at play. If we go CG, they'll bump us down to Shire. If we go to CG, they'll treat us badly, you get the idea. If an application is put in, all of those concerns can be to rest. Once CG gives it's response, all parties will have the answers they need to move forward, and we go from there. An application doesn't solve the reluctance to go to law enforcement/play Amtgard investigator though. Especially when KCG hasn't seen anything wrong with not being proactive on child safety. That's not a small thing and is a much greater concern for me than whether or not we get bumped down in status.
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Post by petra on Nov 19, 2013 10:38:41 GMT
An application doesn't solve the reluctance to go to law enforcement/play Amtgard investigator though. Especially when KCG hasn't seen anything wrong with not being proactive on child safety. That's not a small thing and is a much greater concern for me than whether or not we get bumped down in status. Fortunately, putting in an application in order to get concrete answers does not prevent you from continuing to address your issues with CG's leadership. I encourage you to continue doing so, but that is no reason not to get whatever answers are available in the meantime.
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